YaphetS - Unquestionable skill, questionable ethics?

posted by Jaywalker, 2 years ago
Fan favorite cn Yan Jun 'YaphetS' Bu has been entangled in a scandal, where he was found to be playing Dota for other people's accounts in exchange for monetary incentives. Although not illegal, the community has raised concerns regarding the "rightfulness" of his actions.


Despite its high skilled players, the Dota scene in China has always been engulfed in controversies surrounding unpaid wages and prizes, transfer contradictions, player disputes and more. More notable recently is former Nirvana.cn owner, cn Jun Sheng 'Loveen' Chang, that was in the spotlight for failure to payout player wages as well as 2011 World Dota Championships (WDC) prize money to winning teams. However, another controversy has arise, and this time it has nothing to do with such matriculates, but on fan favourite, YaphetS and his ethics.

Discussions began when legendary Dota player and present caster, cn Yu 'N3komata' Zhang was casting the ECAL showmatch between us Captain Planet and cn World Elite. During the broadcast, N3komata criticized YaphetS' performance leading to intense fan reactions.

To explain his actions, N3komata wrote an article himself speaking out about his encounters with YaphetS, namely YaphetS having almost no practice of Dota 2. He also questioned YaphetS' intentions, seemingly playing the showmatch for quick money as well as stating YaphetS making money by training other people's Dota accounts in return for money. A series of posts between YaphetS and N3komata have revealed their different stance on the matter, and the quotes below are taken from the Tencent Weibo posts from both person.

Note: The words are translated, but the contents are not changed.



N3komata and YaphetS


YaphetS on training accounts

How should I explain this, when I first started doing it I did not give it much thought, because I'm not the first person to train accounts for others, as it has been done in World of Warcraft and other online games before.
As someone that loves Dota, I can't play Dota forever, I have to think about my future plans, just like how many professional players have to think about what to do after they retire. Sadly, I have no other skills, I can only find a way to survive with playing this game, even if I am the first one and there are controversies I am willing to give it a try.
Also, I don't think training accounts for Dota is the same as training accounts for other online games. It does not create an unfair environment, and every game's replay will be given to the account holder, so he can learn the skills by watching the replay. If its the desire of players, why not fulfill them? At least I'm doing so with my own effort.


N3komata's response to YaphetS

YaphetS's talk about training accounts, I cannot agree. What training accounts mean, if its good or bad, we can think about them from a few points.

1. Who is training accounts good for?
2. Who is training accounts bad for?
3. The difference between the good and bad.

1. Training accounts will only benefit the parties involved, which will be the person that gets the service, and YaphetS that gets paid for doing so.

2. Training accounts will affect all players the most, specifically the players that encounter the account holder after the transaction. For example, a noob like me pays YaphetS and train to a high level ladder, then I will hurt my teammates and cause them to lose points. If I lose too many points, I will pay YaphetS again to get back into the ladder, continue hurting the players.

3. Based on the benefits and harm done, YaphetS did not seek to understand the feelings of other players, working hard to play at a high level, but only to be matched with or against unworthy noobs that pay for trained accounts like me.


YaphetS final response

I won't stop training accounts. I didn't know this issue will invoke so much discussion, it is something my friends and I thought about, since we play together anyways, we will just help train accounts whilst we play......

Truthfully, even if I don't do it, others will do it too. I can't satisfy everyone, but I don't think I'm 'selling drugs'. Although it isn't the most ethical job, but there are boundaries, and I will never use hacks.


In a recent post, N3komata has lamented his posts not helping, but in fact invoking more interest in training accounts. He has also stated his desire to create an unbiased governing body in the future that will attempt to prevent disruption in the Dota community.

After hearing from both sides, N3komata's response has received a lot of public backing despite many disliking his blunt choice of words. Many from the Chinese community has supported his stance that such accounts will only ruin the game for others. On the other hand, there are also supporters for YaphetS, stating that it is hard to live on playing Dota, therefore earning money from it is just a survival need.

Famous members of the community have also voiced different opinions regarding the matter. Former LGD fan favorite cn Jian 'ZSMJ' Gong has voiced his support towards YaphetS, not questioning the ethical nature of his actions but understanding his decision to do so. Whilst flame guru cn Fan 'DK.rOtk_xB' Bai has spoken in defense of N3komata, vouching for his genuine personality towards people. Although there are differences in opinions, YaphetS has made it clear that he will not stop training accounts. This has led to Dota Chinese translator Hippo suggesting that it could be possible for the name of YaphetS to be removed from appearing for the hero Shadow Fiend upon review, as such behavior can be destructive towards the Dota community.

With YaphetS not commenting anymore, there is yet any pointers that suggest YaphetS will stop training accounts for money. YaphetS is a player that has unquestionable skills, but the community will continue questioning the ethical nature of his decision.


Sources: Sgamer

 
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#1
Scumbaggy wrote at 05.04.2012, 11:13 CEST:
I'm totally with N3komata on this one. YaphetS making money like this is totally hurting the community by 'giving' ladder points to one account (the one that pays YaphetS) and 'stealing' it from other accounts. This is ofcourse only true when YaphetS wins, but that will be the case at least 75% of the times in my opinion. Also, his actions show little respect to the community. Just like the showmatch in which he played really really bad, it was easy to see that he has little Dota 2 practice.
#2
Hertock wrote at 05.04.2012, 11:13 CEST:
True that N3komata.
#3
VashDota wrote at 05.04.2012, 11:15 CEST:
Interesting.
#4
Slowking wrote at 05.04.2012, 11:15 CEST:
I don't see why not: The DotA2 pool is filled with n00bs/ badmouthed people anyway, so another noob, although playing in the upper brackets, wouldn't matter that much. In fact, according to the law of practice, it might be even better for the community as a whole (depending on the n00bnes of the n00b in question) since the n00b would progress faster due to his team being more able to compensate plus a faster experience gain.
Naturally, this is speaking as an European that plays on the European servers and doesn't know how the dota2 situation is in china.

Edit: Although this is apparently concerning dota1, the main idea of this post remains the same (and that's the reason I'll refrain from editing it any futher)
#5
WARDIGI wrote at 05.04.2012, 11:19 CEST:
I am here to show my support for YaphetS.
#6
New_Guy wrote at 05.04.2012, 11:20 CEST:
So people who buy the high level accounts actually get to play there themselves and then learn dota in a better environment. Play with noobs, learn from noobs? Doesn't sound too good :P
#7
GodYasha wrote at 05.04.2012, 11:21 CEST:
in fact YaphetS is wrong
#8
andycapped wrote at 05.04.2012, 11:25 CEST:
How is this even a 'scandal' when i first started reading it I assumed he was playing for other people in tournament games. Hes basically giving replays of himself for people to analyse for money. It's just a less involved version of coaching
#9
mmiaww wrote at 05.04.2012, 11:27 CEST:
shameful idol, poor PISS
#10
Slowking wrote at 05.04.2012, 11:27 CEST:
andycapped wrote:
How is this even a 'scandal' when i first started reading it I assumed he was playing for other people in tournament games. Hes basically giving replays of himself for people to analyse for money. It's just a less involved version of coaching

No, he's creating accounts, win a few games on it so it's stats will increase so someone can play on a higher level, and then selling it.

Edit: I must say, I am disappoint in the amount of unfounded opinions here.
#11
nitestryker wrote at 05.04.2012, 11:28 CEST:
i support yaphets cause this is only half the story
#12
v0ldrOn wrote at 05.04.2012, 11:29 CEST:
its wrong giving points? rank points or w/e? who cares as long as these points mean money to a player like yaphets. Ask your self if u had the skill to do it would you? Just play some games and the show the guys that pay you the replay. Ofc you would. Would you cheat on a tourney? Would you play instead of another team in tourney? NO. I dont see the problem here except angry no skill chineese people wanting to hurt him in any other way possible cuz they cant do it in game and skill wise.
#13
kruder wrote at 05.04.2012, 11:31 CEST:
money > dota ... shocking
#14
Scumbaggy wrote at 05.04.2012, 11:31 CEST:
If I had the skills to do it I would NOT do it. It's something called basic ethics. He is not just 'showing the guy the replay'. He is manupulating accounts to give ladder points to people.
#15
iambrave wrote at 05.04.2012, 11:35 CEST:
New_Guy wrote:
So people who buy the high level accounts actually get to play there themselves and then learn dota in a better environment. Play with noobs, learn from noobs? Doesn't sound too good :P


Give you a thumbs Up
is that N3komata hurt cos no one pay him for leveling account??? :P
#16
CountChocula wrote at 05.04.2012, 11:38 CEST:
This part sounded kinda depressing to me:
"As someone that loves Dota, I can't play Dota forever, I have to think about my future plans... Sadly, I have no other skills, I can only find a way to survive with playing this game."

edited by CountChocula at 05.04.2012, 11:41 CEST
#17
geoa4 wrote at 05.04.2012, 11:42 CEST:
pretty sure N3komata is butthurt.
#18
Onin wrote at 05.04.2012, 11:44 CEST:
People care too much about ladder points. This might come as a shock to you, but ladder points have no real value. There's nothing to steal. There's barely anything to gain.
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DaaarK wrote at 05.04.2012, 11:45 CEST:
try to understand ^^ Money>so call "understanding"... gaming now isnt football although 1 day i believe it will be like football clubs^^ so.. gamers.. tend to find ways to get some fund for their daily lives. so it's nt wrong.. unless u can tell me gamers in asia/euro countries can cont living by jus gaming.. unlike korean which grow so much in gaming industry. no money wat ppl oso willing to do..
#20
SketchBook wrote at 05.04.2012, 11:49 CEST:
What he does is not practically wrong but just ethically wrong. I don't see why people will defend him, when all of us believe that dota is about your own experience and the learning curve to improvise your skills, and not by using such 'help' from others
#21
alohagamers wrote at 05.04.2012, 11:50 CEST:
guys we dont know if chinese players are getting paid or not!
if the guy wants to earn off the only thing he loves then why term it as scandal!
let him have fun and let noobs buy those accounts.
#22
wrote at 05.04.2012, 11:55 CEST:
Wow stupid idiots. Hes doing that for a living unlike most of the players he doesn't have a degree or something is that wrong if he is doing it for his life. Get a life tards. t(-,-t)
#23
Matindo wrote at 05.04.2012, 11:56 CEST:
CountChocula wrote:
This part sounded kinda depressing to me: "As someone that loves Dota, I can't play Dota forever, I have to think about my future plans... Sadly, I have no other skills, I can only find a way to survive with playing this game."


Hahaha yeah this was the part that caught my attention and made me go :(

The ethics behind playing a video game is really not something I care about but him thinking it's the only thing he can do in his life is certainly sad.
#24
siloquez wrote at 05.04.2012, 12:01 CEST:
There are bigger problems in the world.. if one guy decides to make living like this who are you to judge?

ps. hustle hard

edited by siloquez at 05.04.2012, 12:08 CEST
#25
thwang wrote at 05.04.2012, 12:04 CEST:
ethical VS practical...

Yaphets, I see what you did there

 
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