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Next.kz suspected of match fixing

posted by HolyMaster, 84 days ago
kz Next.kz, a known and established team in the western scene, has aroused suspicion about possibly manipulating their match against ru Relax in CIS Carnage 2014. The betting site Egamingbets has canceled all bets on this match due to a high probability of match fixing.


Unfortunately we have to cancel your bets on the match Next.kz vs Relax. The problem is that several people made deposits with the purpose of making bets specifically on this match, and after it finished they asked for cash out. After careful examination of the match records our analysts came to the conclusion that the probability of the match fixing is very high. The fact of the several rare coincidences happening in one match makes us cancel all the bets.
- http://egamingbets.com

The CIS Carnage administration has subsequently removed Next.kz from the tournament in order to investigate the case. Indeed the Kazakhs played a very unusual lineup (including Axe, Pudge, Bloodseeker) in the first game of said match. The team explained this with a low motivation due to extremely high pings.

We did not lose the game on purpose. In the first game we were faced with a high ping situation after the picks. So we did a remake, but it didn't help, and we played with 330 ping. Pudge can't even hook someone and we played to the end. The second game was pretty close.

No one from our players did bet against ourselves. We simply we did'nt train after StarLadder XIII (Last match was at Jan 5th), and this tournament wasn't key for us. We also talked with pingee today, and the matter is closed. Now we are not disqualified, we are left from this tournament under agreement.
- Urazbayev 'Mantis' Yernar, captain of Next.kz

In spite of initially disqualifying Next.kz, the administration does not hold a grudge against the team. While it is still removed from the competition, investigations on the case will not be continued, and an exclusions from other competitions is not recommended at the moment. An invite to future editions of CIS Carnage seems possible as well.

There were these statements from betting sites about suspicious bets on behalf of Next.kz, with implications of match-fixing. I've had a chat with their captain and eventually we both agreed that this whole situation stinks and we both came to conclusion that they should leave the tournament as this whole incident brings a bad atmosphere to the whole competition. So they left the tournament. I'm not going to follow up any accusations regarding those bets - it's up to betting sites to provide proofs regarding their statements if they want to do so.
- Ivan "pingeee" Nikiforov, organizer of CIS Carnage

At this point Next.kz will not be banned from joinDOTA competitions until proven guilty.


Sources: Egaming bets, CIS Carnage Coverage, Next vs Relax

 
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#1
kariz wrote at 26.01.2014, 02:29 CET:
solo 322
solo taught them his ways
#2
bruzly wrote at 26.01.2014, 02:30 CET:
ez rares ez rusians
#3
Mikeylicious wrote at 26.01.2014, 02:31 CET:
so they got disqualified for nothing?

You just torched teams reputation without giving in any evidence besides ''asumptions'' that are taken just by judging Next.kz's draft?

:/
#4
Conn wrote at 26.01.2014, 02:31 CET:
typical ruustard action 322
#5
Willzon wrote at 26.01.2014, 02:31 CET:
#322
#6
40pootis wrote at 26.01.2014, 02:37 CET:
pick outside of the meta, get disqualified
amazing
#7
nakazikz wrote at 26.01.2014, 02:39 CET:
#Solo322
#8
GhettoSuPaStaR wrote at 26.01.2014, 02:42 CET:
#322

I think the tournament organizers and the betting site jumped the gun on this one, albeit I'd have probably done the same thing. You don't pick Pudge into a bad ping (that's just stupid), so I understand the argument of thinking they were intentionally throwing.

edited by GhettoSuPaStaR at 26.01.2014, 02:46 CET
#9
DkN- wrote at 26.01.2014, 02:45 CET:
I wanna see the proofs!
#10
unDzor wrote at 26.01.2014, 02:49 CET:
so it can bring a bad atmosphere to the team moral but not to the event? gg I reported you

edited by unDzor at 26.01.2014, 02:54 CET
#11
samthesuper wrote at 26.01.2014, 02:52 CET:
lineup is little weird ok. in fact pudge and bs has synergy. (rupture + hook) disqualifying the pro team just with the assumptions is not a right thing. if they proven not guilty what will happen then?
#12
wrote at 26.01.2014, 03:01 CET:
+.
I need some evidence
#13
Eilanzer wrote at 26.01.2014, 03:06 CET:
strange...Axe, Pudge AND fucking cyka picks and they where serious?! rly?! ¬¬
#14
RealLifeNaix wrote at 26.01.2014, 03:14 CET:
I wonder that it is possible to cancel the bets without having any proofs that next.kz threw on purpose to enrich themselves, friends or whoever. oO Where do you draw the line? So everytime a clear outsider wins, you may assume the favoured team to be involved in anything fishy to prevent paying out high quotes to people, who took a risk, in cases you make a bad deal overall? It,s not rare that pro-teams pick a few unusual heroes for example, when they play versus low-tier-teams.

edited by RealLifeNaix at 26.01.2014, 03:54 CET
#15
josipinho93 wrote at 26.01.2014, 03:15 CET:
fucking betting, ruined every sport already, now they will ruin dota2 before it even gets started properly... fucking anoying as hell
#16
GhettoSuPaStaR wrote at 26.01.2014, 03:56 CET:
RealLifeNaix wrote:
I wonder that it is possible to cancel the bets without having any proofs that next.kz threw on purpose to enrich themselves, friends or whoever. oO Where do you draw the line? So everytime a clear outsider wins, you may assume the favourite team to be involved in anything fishy to prevent paying out high quotes to people, who took a risk, in cases you make a bad deal overall? It,s not rare that pro-teams pick a few unusual heroes for example, when they play versus low-tier-teams.


Ya, but when pro-teams pick odd drafts against low-tier teams, they usually don't LOSE (in fact, it's usually a pub stump). That's the issue that we're facing here.

There are three things that happened that were incredibly suspicious:

1) They were up against a low-tier team.
2) They picked a very suspect draft.
3) They lost.

Like I said, I think they jumped the gun on the DQ, but I would have done the same thing because that's just too much going on at once. I'm actually pleased this happened. Teams can learn from this. Don't pick throw drafts just because you have lag. That's not only retarded, it's also pointless and can get you in trouble.

edited by GhettoSuPaStaR at 26.01.2014, 03:59 CET
#17
Amoment wrote at 26.01.2014, 03:56 CET:
But if it was Dendi Pudge, iceiceice Bloodseeker and Puppey Axe everything would´ve been fine.
#18
Saian wrote at 26.01.2014, 03:59 CET:
I have watched the first few minutes of the game with pudge cm against slark I have to say they did good getting the firstblood but how they feed slark afterwards was just beyond stupidity or as mentioned a 322
#19
L0II3r wrote at 26.01.2014, 03:59 CET:
In western countries people doing that (match fixing) go to jail and people managing bets without legal authorization go there too. Apparently in Costa Rica (I doubt the owner is Costa Rican: he's likely a mafia boss who just wants to avoid taxes and/or law) any kid can open a betting site or fix matches without any consequence.
Why did egamingbets.com blocked one bet? Suspicious activities against their own terms of service? Anyway the truth is this stuff stinks; and the point is:
Don't bet on unauthorized (in your own country) stuff or one day or another you'll receive bad news and once you'll call the police to get help, they might even tell you that you did something illegal

edited by L0II3r at 26.01.2014, 04:03 CET
#20
GhettoSuPaStaR wrote at 26.01.2014, 04:00 CET:
Saian wrote:
I have watched the first few minutes of the game with pudge cm against slark I have to say they did good getting the firstblood but how they feed slark afterwards was just beyond stupidity or as mentioned a 322


Agreed.
#21
GhettoSuPaStaR wrote at 26.01.2014, 04:02 CET:
L0II3r wrote:
In western countries people doing that (match fixing) go to jail and people managing bets without legal authorization go there too. Apparently in Costa Rica (I doubt the owner is Costa Rican: he's likely a mafia boss who just wants to avoid taxes and/or law) any kid can open a betting site or fix matches without any consequence.
Why did egamingbets.com blocked one bet? Suspicious activities against their own terms of service? Anyway this stuff stinks and the point is:
don't bet on unauthorized (in your own country) stuff or one day or another you'll receive bad news


What? This has nothing to do with Costa Rica, western countries, consequences of betting, etc. It has nothing to do with the betting website. The only thing it has to do with is whether or not Next.KZ purposely threw the game. Nothing that you've said is even relative to that discussion.
#22
Maldin wrote at 26.01.2014, 04:07 CET:
It doesn't have to be fixed to get people betting unusually lot. Maybe some of the players admit to someone, that they are not interested in that tournament and are going to troll through it(still trying to win, but just not taking it serious). This one guy has tipped of some betting forum, irc channel or what ever, that this might be a good game to bet against next.kz and in internet these things can grow so fast.

If the guys have not bet themselves(or tipped someone for betting purposes) and have not tried to lose on purpose, they have done nothing wrong.
#23
L0II3r wrote at 26.01.2014, 04:23 CET:
GhettoSuPaStaR wrote:
L0II3r wrote:
In western countries people doing that (match fixing) go to jail and people managing bets without legal authorization go there too. Apparently in Costa Rica (I doubt the owner is Costa Rican: he's likely a mafia boss who just wants to avoid taxes and/or law) any kid can open a betting site or fix matches without any consequence.
Why did egamingbets.com blocked one bet? Suspicious activities against their own terms of service? Anyway this stuff stinks and the point is:
don't bet on unauthorized (in your own country) stuff or one day or another you'll receive bad news

What? This has nothing to do with Costa Rica, western countries, consequences of betting, etc. It has nothing to do with the betting website. The only thing it has to do with is whether or not Next.KZ purposely threw the game. Nothing that you've said is even relative to that discussion.


I'll try to answer seriously:

1) The site Legal office is in Costa Rica so we can discuss hours on what's right or not and on who's right and who's not. The point is that Costa Rican laws determine what the site can do.
2) This site seems to be authorized to manage bets on e-sports. Let's say it's true. Either Costa Rican laws allow bet sites to cancel bets when they suspect there's a fraud or not. Since I doubt in Costa Rican laws there's even the reference to something like betting online rules I assume this site can do whatever he wants with bets-customers-decisions-money unless they infringe other Costa Rican laws (if they give a shit about that)
3) You can suspect Next fixed the match or anything: the point is that none will care since apparently there's no law enforcement on this stuff in Costa Rica so it might even be possible that the site thought they could earn some money deleting a bet. Who can say it's not true? You think there will be a poll to determine the truth? In western countries this is serious stuff, it's fraud. And it cannot be fixed by "deleting a bet". Relatives of pro-athlets (just like relatives of important stake-holders in top companies) cannot bet (or "invest") on stuff involving their relative.
So as you see: I really don't care if Next fixed the match since anyone has an opinion but without law enforcement the "truth" will not come out. What I care about is telling you that betting on those sites is not a good idea.
#24
joselaela wrote at 26.01.2014, 04:39 CET:
but i got rrz
#25
yondailan wrote at 26.01.2014, 04:56 CET:
322
 
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